Comments on: What is Rape? http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/ a new city. a new life. here's my two sense. Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:49:40 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Albert http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-48158 Albert Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:41:45 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/#comment-48158 Kathy, You said "What you think happened is not what happened" as if you knew something. It seems that you don't. The decision came <em>after</em> after the bar's recommendations and they are barred from changing their recommendation. I think you would've been even more pissed off if the entire bar revoted at the last minute, eh? You said the media "purposely fabricated a twisted version of the facts" now that's close to or is libel. Kathy,
You said "What you think happened is not what happened" as if you knew something. It seems that you don't.

The decision came after after the bar's recommendations and they are barred from changing their recommendation. I think you would've been even more pissed off if the entire bar revoted at the last minute, eh?

You said the media "purposely fabricated a twisted version of the facts" now that's close to or is libel.

]]> By: Kathy Hogan http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-48151 Kathy Hogan Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:57:38 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/#comment-48151 In response to your questions: I honestly have no factual basis, certainly not a sufficient one, for forming an opiniuon about whether this person was raped or not. I think a person being raped can be robbed, I think a person being robbed can be raped. Your question about the bar statement, I have two problems with it. One, it was the personal opinion of the Chancellor of the Bar Association, which is fine, but she published it as if it were from the Bar Association, and it was not. Second, she published it the week before the election, when she knew that Judge Deni was prohibited by the rules of judicial conduct from responding to it. Rape is the sexual assault on a non-consentual person. As to the facts alleged here, absolutely I think that prostitutes can be raped. What I don't know is what the actual facts were in this particular instance, as presented to the court, and the many other considerations, some technical, some not, that resulted in the charges that were filed. In response to your questions:

I honestly have no factual basis, certainly not a sufficient one, for forming an opiniuon about whether this person was raped or not. I think a person being raped can be robbed, I think a person being robbed can be raped.

Your question about the bar statement, I have two problems with it. One, it was the personal opinion of the Chancellor of the Bar Association, which is fine, but she published it as if it were from the Bar Association, and it was not.

Second, she published it the week before the election, when she knew that Judge Deni was prohibited by the rules of judicial conduct from responding to it.

Rape is the sexual assault on a non-consentual person. As to the facts alleged here, absolutely I think that prostitutes can be raped. What I don't know is what the actual facts were in this particular instance, as presented to the court, and the many other considerations, some technical, some not, that resulted in the charges that were filed.

]]> By: Albert http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-47874 Albert Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:30:20 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/#comment-47874 Kathy, Are you suggesting that Ms. Gindraw wasn't raped? Do you feel that a robbery cannot occur before/while/after being raped? What are your thoughts on the bar's statement? What is your definition of rape? Kathy,
Are you suggesting that Ms. Gindraw wasn't raped? Do you feel that a robbery cannot occur before/while/after being raped? What are your thoughts on the bar's statement? What is your definition of rape?

]]> By: Kathy Hogan http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-47851 Kathy Hogan Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:47:28 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2007/10/31/what-is-rape/#comment-47851 The part of this story you don’t know is that this was a manipulation of the press by political operatives, who purposely fabricated a twisted version of the facts right before an election, to smear Judge Deni’s reputation for political reasons that have nothing to do with the case they used to launch the campaign against her. Once they got one paper to print their twisted version of the facts, the other papers piled on, repeating the false facts from the first story. What you think happened is not what happened, and her political opponents knew they had her over a barrel, because the rules of judicial conduct prevent her from arguing the facts of a pending case in the press. The operatives accomplished their goal, which was to create a public outrage to fan the flames of a public drum beat to remove Judge Deni from office. Some people will not find it easy to accept that they were played. Others who know how politics are played in Philly will acknowledge that what I am saying has a certain familiar ring of truth to it. I have known Judge Deni for better than 30 years. I am telling you that what you read in the papers, and the firestorm that was created out of it, was a calculated political manipulation that had nothing to do with the truth. The part of this story you don’t know is that this was a manipulation of the press by political operatives, who purposely fabricated a twisted version of the facts right before an election, to smear Judge Deni’s reputation for political reasons that have nothing to do with the case they used to launch the campaign against her.

Once they got one paper to print their twisted version of the facts, the other papers piled on, repeating the false facts from the first story.

What you think happened is not what happened, and her political opponents knew they had her over a barrel, because the rules of judicial conduct prevent her from arguing the facts of a pending case in the press.

The operatives accomplished their goal, which was to create a public outrage to fan the flames of a public drum beat to remove Judge Deni from office.

Some people will not find it easy to accept that they were played.

Others who know how politics are played in Philly will acknowledge that what I am saying has a certain familiar ring of truth to it.

I have known Judge Deni for better than 30 years. I am telling you that what you read in the papers, and the firestorm that was created out of it, was a calculated political manipulation that had nothing to do with the truth.

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