Comments on: Recap: Saidel and Nutter Event http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/ a new city. a new life. here's my two sense. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:04:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Juniorwilliams007 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3781 Juniorwilliams007 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:47:29 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3781 I was at the pub that night and I was the last person to get a question off. Its always good to hear candidates give their daily speeches on how they will do this and that for the city, telling everyone what they want to hear. Yes Mr. Nutter didn't win over the crowd like Mr. Saidel but he seem like he knew what he was talking about. They both talked about important issues and Mr. Nutter looked serious about running this city. Mr. Saidel worked the crowd like a ringmaster and it might have worked in his favor. I don't know how serious he is about the issues we'll have to see! I was at the pub that night and I was the last person to get a question off. Its always good to hear candidates give their daily speeches on how they will do this and that for the city, telling everyone what they want to hear. Yes Mr. Nutter didn't win over the crowd like Mr. Saidel but he seem like he knew what he was talking about. They both talked about important issues and Mr. Nutter looked serious about running this city. Mr. Saidel worked the crowd like a ringmaster and it might have worked in his favor. I don't know how serious he is about the issues we'll have to see!

]]> By: Albert http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3765 Albert Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:19:22 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3765 I'm not sure a ban on handguns would be so effective. I believe Chicago has a ban on handguns and they still have a good deal of gun violence. I have no idea how the numbers compare to Philly's though. Of note, Saidel called Mayor Daley the best mayor in America in the last half century since LaGuardia. I'm not sure a ban on handguns would be so effective. I believe Chicago has a ban on handguns and they still have a good deal of gun violence. I have no idea how the numbers compare to Philly's though.

Of note, Saidel called Mayor Daley the best mayor in America in the last half century since LaGuardia.

]]> By: Marc Stier http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3764 Marc Stier Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:03:49 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3764 I think Andrea is right that one gun a month doesn't make sense if it is only implemented in Philly. But there are other gun laws--such as a complete ban on the ownership of handguns in Philly--that would make sense if implemented here alone. I also think think that changing minds in Harrisburg is not impossible. Legislators are afraid of the NRA. But political scientists have shown that the NRA simply does not represent its own membership. When I lived in Alaska everyone--but me--owned a gun. (You never knew when a bear would not on your front door.) And most of them were members of the NRA because they got discount ammo and lessons from their membership. But the folks I knew did not agree with the NRA's views on control. It is just like the AAA which people join for discount insurance and free maps even though they don't support the AAA's anti-transit political stance. A strong grassroots effort, like the one we did for the minimum wage campaign, might make a difference on the gun issue. It is certainly worth trying and it would be nice to have some leadership from Philly pols on the issue. I think Andrea is right that one gun a month doesn't make sense if it is only implemented in Philly. But there are other gun laws–such as a complete ban on the ownership of handguns in Philly–that would make sense if implemented here alone.

I also think think that changing minds in Harrisburg is not impossible. Legislators are afraid of the NRA. But political scientists have shown that the NRA simply does not represent its own membership. When I lived in Alaska everyone–but me–owned a gun. (You never knew when a bear would not on your front door.) And most of them were members of the NRA because they got discount ammo and lessons from their membership. But the folks I knew did not agree with the NRA's views on control.

It is just like the AAA which people join for discount insurance and free maps even though they don't support the AAA's anti-transit political stance.

A strong grassroots effort, like the one we did for the minimum wage campaign, might make a difference on the gun issue. It is certainly worth trying and it would be nice to have some leadership from Philly pols on the issue.

]]> By: Eligere http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3763 Eligere Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:28:24 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3763 acm, the City Police Department used to have discretion about whether to issue gun permits. A refusal was subject to administrative appeal, and ultimately court appeal, but the police could deny a permit for cause. Now the state has "shall issue" laws on the City. A study by the University of Pittsburgh determined that: A "shall issue" law that permits the carrying of a handgun in an unrestricted fashion may be associated with an increase in firearm homicide rates. I think Philadelphia should have local control over gun permits, as it does over every other kind of health and safety permit. acm, the City Police Department used to have discretion about whether to issue gun permits. A refusal was subject to administrative appeal, and ultimately court appeal, but the police could deny a permit for cause. Now the state has "shall issue" laws on the City. A study by the University of Pittsburgh determined that: A "shall issue" law that permits the carrying of a handgun in an unrestricted fashion may be associated with an increase in firearm homicide rates. I think Philadelphia should have local control over gun permits, as it does over every other kind of health and safety permit.

]]> By: Matt http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3762 Matt Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:46:55 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3762 I've seen Nutter speak several times, and have always been impressed by his acumen. You're right that he's not the most impassioned of public speakers, but remember that that was a charge leveled against Al Gore, too. I've seen Nutter speak several times, and have always been impressed by his acumen. You're right that he's not the most impassioned of public speakers, but remember that that was a charge leveled against Al Gore, too.

]]> By: acm http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3760 acm Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:32:34 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3760 I hope they'll have articles eventually. anyway, you shouldn't be so surprised, Albert, that neither guy backs city-specific gun legislation; just about all the evidence seems to indicate that the vast majority of guns are being sold starting with legal dealers in the suburbs, so regulations within the city would do nothing, and might well kill discussion of the issue. (see! we did something!) if it's just about getting more illegal guns off the streets, we already have laws for that and would need more manpower more than anything else... thanks for the recap though! I share your frustration with slippery politicians -- I hope that they develop more motivation and more message by the time that we need to be picking a horse and/or winnowing the field... I hope they'll have articles eventually.

anyway, you shouldn't be so surprised, Albert, that neither guy backs city-specific gun legislation; just about all the evidence seems to indicate that the vast majority of guns are being sold starting with legal dealers in the suburbs, so regulations within the city would do nothing, and might well kill discussion of the issue. (see! we did something!) if it's just about getting more illegal guns off the streets, we already have laws for that and would need more manpower more than anything else…

thanks for the recap though! I share your frustration with slippery politicians — I hope that they develop more motivation and more message by the time that we need to be picking a horse and/or winnowing the field…

]]> By: Josh http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3754 Josh Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:20:40 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3754 Great recap. If only the Inquirer could have detailed political coverage like this. I can't even find an article on the event on philly.com. Or the Next Mayor blog for that matter. Great recap. If only the Inquirer could have detailed political coverage like this. I can't even find an article on the event on philly.com. Or the Next Mayor blog for that matter.

]]> By: brendan http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/comment-page-1/#comment-3753 brendan Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:19:22 +0000 http://dragonballyee.com/blog/2006/08/16/recap-saidel-and-nutter-event/#comment-3753 thanks for the link! The platitudes piled high last night, didn't they? What it boils down to for me, with any candidate, is that you can be as abrasive and arrogant as you want when you're dealing with your colleagues if that's what it takes to get the job done. But when you're out there fishing for votes? Don't treat me, or any voter, with contempt. I ended up bumping into a friend of mine with a phD in transit, and he ahd a whole bunch to add to my complaints. thanks for the link!
The platitudes piled high last night, didn't they?

What it boils down to for me, with any candidate, is that you can be as abrasive and arrogant as you want when you're dealing with your colleagues if that's what it takes to get the job done. But when you're out there fishing for votes? Don't treat me, or any voter, with contempt.

I ended up bumping into a friend of mine with a phD in transit, and he ahd a whole bunch to add to my complaints.

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